The Fleur du Mal founder on the long road to launching her label, the advice that kept her focused, and how she actually wears lingerie day to day.

Long before lingerie showed up on city streets, Jennifer Zuccarini was already dressing that way, layering vintage slips and bustiers over jeans or skirts. That instinct has carried her through more than two decades in the business. She led design for Victoria’s Secret Intimates, co-founded Kiki de Montparnasse, and in 2012 launched Fleur du Mal. The label has since grown into ready-to-wear, swimwear and lifestyle, but its premise hasn’t moved: lingerie is meant to be worn out, not kept out of sight.
We met her at the Fleur du Mal store in SoHo. We talked about the years she spent waiting to launch her own label, what building it taught her about commitment, how social media changed the job, and how she styles lingerie into everyday looks.
Ava: Walk me through your look today.
Jennifer: I’m wearing things from our fall collection. This is our Ruched V-neck shirt, and we did it intentionally so you can show your bra strap, you can unbutton it a little bit and have it off your shoulder. I’m wearing this little tailored skirt, that has shorts built into it. So it’s great when you’re running up stairs or on the subway or getting on a Citi Bike. And I’m wearing our Eden embroidery bra.
Ava: You named the brand after Charles Baudelaire’s poetry collection Les Fleurs du Mal. How does that dark, romantic, and rebellious spirit continue to filter into your designs today?
Jennifer: I was really inspired by the duality of the name. I love the dichotomy of something that’s beautiful, but also maybe has a darker side to it. I love mixing masculine and feminine. That’s why we do a lot of things that have tailoring, but also these very soft feminine pieces. I love bringing those two worlds together, the sensual and the earthly. So the name really resonated with me for all of those reasons.
Ava: Having served as Design Director for Victoria’s Secret Intimates and built Fleur du Mal, you’ve operated at virtually every scale of fashion. What is the biggest lesson you brought from mass retail into luxury direct-to-consumer?
Jennifer: What I really learned from Victoria’s Secret, the biggest lingerie brand in the world, was how they operated. I learned a lot about how an organization like that functions day to day and how the teams were structured. I also learned what Americans want. I always felt like everyone wants the most beautiful, amazing, intricate things. But no, people want things that are generally more practical and easy to care for. Not everybody wants what I want. That was a big lesson for me, but it didn’t necessarily change how I design and create products. One thing Victoria’s Secret does super well is they take an idea and they make it so much bigger. They really get behind one thing. And I think for younger designers, that’s harder to do because you’re focused on a whole collection and not just one product.
Ava: What was the tipping point when you knew you had to take the leap and start Fleur du Mal? Looking back, what was the hardest part?
Jennifer: I always knew I wanted to start my own brand from when I was a child. So for me, it was just finding the right time. I struggled with it, because a lot of people start their brand when they’re really young or maybe when they first graduate school. But I wanted to learn. I wanted to be exposed to other things and learn from other people before I started my brand. So I went to Victoria’s Secret and co-founded Kiki de Montparnasse. Once I felt like I had learned everything I could learn there (of course, there’s always more to learn), I was almost feeling bored and stagnant. And that’s when I knew it was now or never. I just couldn’t wait any longer. I had to do it. The hardest thing is really making that leap and doing it full time. I was working on my business plan and I was sketching, but once I actually had to make the full commitment, I was all in.
Ava: What did it teach you about yourself?
Jennifer: I used to have issues with commitment in some ways. I really value freedom. I always felt when I was younger, anything that I was doing, the next day I could leave. I could leave any job, I could leave any relationship, and I would be totally fine. When I started my company and I had people invest in me, all of a sudden I felt like, “Oh, I can’t leave this.” I have to be very committed to this because people are depending on me. I have a team that depends on me. I pay salaries. I learned that I was able to commit myself fully, and it shifted who I was.
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Ava: Fleur du Mal has evolved far beyond traditional lingerie into ready-to-wear, swimwear, and lifestyle products. What guides your decision on which category to take on next?
Jennifer: It’s a tough one because I want to do everything. I love starting a new project. I would do home. I would do jewelry. I would do shoes, beauty. Years ago we were thinking about developing a shoe line, and one of my investors who’s a veteran in the industry was like, “Are you crazy? You need to build what you have already. Why are you gonna get distracted with this whole other category you guys don’t know anything about?” He was so right, and I just needed to hear that, because it’s very easy to go off and start new things. But I think the foundation has to be super strong before you take on anything else. So it’s more intuition and feeling like when it’s the right time for me, and for my team.
Ava: From physical pop-ups to digital storytelling, you’ve built a distinct, feminine universe around Fleur du Mal. Where do you continuously pull inspiration from to build that world?
Jennifer: I get a lot of inspiration when I travel. I love to just roam around and check out everything from art to vintage to new concept stores. When I’m in the city, I’m a little in my routine, going to work, going back, but when I go away, I’m more open and in tune with what’s around me. I also get a lot of inspiration from people on the street. I love looking at that in New York. Where we are in SoHo, people are doing shoots nonstop on our street.
Ava: You launched before social media was what it is today. How has that changed?
Jennifer: I started my brand the year Instagram came out. So social was very native, and I used to run our social, and it was a big part of my job, but it was much simpler back then. It would just be post one image every couple of days. Now it could be many people’s full-time job at a brand. It’s so important. It’s what we’re spending all of our time on.
Ava: What does your personal wardrobe routine look like? How do you style lingerie into day-to-night outfits?
Jennifer: I’ve always been dressing like that a little bit, even when I was younger. I’m a big vintage shopper. I wore a ton of vintage; that was my number one go-to. So I would always buy vintage slips and vintage bustiers and try to style them into my wardrobe. I love showing a bra. I love layering slips over things. I love having a little peek of lace popping out. A lot of it’s in layering, and that’s how you can work it into a look and actually wear it out.
Ava: Do you have favorite pieces of your own that you like to style into an outfit?
Jennifer: So many things. This bra is one of my favorites, our Eden bra. I wear this all the time, and I like having the embroidery peeking out. We have so many great corset tops and bustiers that I feel are so great for right now, even layering them over a shirt or having them under an oversized jacket. Our Juliette slip dress, which has been so popular right now, I love that, even just over denim.
Ava: What advice would you give to emerging fashion designers trying to launch an independent brand in today’s crowded retail landscape?
Jennifer: It’s really important to have a distinct point of view. This has to be what you have been dying to do. You can’t just say “I’m going to start a fashion brand.” You have to be all-in, committed, and really develop what your reason to be is, your reason for existing, why people are coming to you, because the market doesn’t really need anything. It’s so oversaturated. It’s so competitive. But if you have a strong point of view or a way that you’re telling your story, you can still cut through. Also for young designers, I think building your social following is really important. It’s not easy, but it’s an accessible way to build an audience. It’s something that could be in your control. It used to be: show your collection, have a big department store or Barneys pick it up, have Vogue write about you. That used to be kind of the trajectory. Now it’s completely different, a brand can blow up overnight.
Ava: To wrap up: what are the top three staple items you believe every woman should have in her closet?
Jennifer: I think every woman should have a beautiful black lace bra, because it not just makes you feel amazing, but it can work in your wardrobe in a lot of different ways. I would say a perfect slip dress, a bias-cut classic slip dress, because I think it’s so great to travel with. You can wear it to a lot of different occasions. And thirdly, I’m gonna throw in another lingerie thing. I love our Seduce plunge bra or bodysuit, because I think this neckline is so sexy and actually so versatile. You can wear it with a lot of different things. So I would say a black lace bra, a classic slip dress, and a black bodysuit.
Where some founders rush in, Zuccarini took her time, spending years inside other companies until she was ready to bet everything on her own. Fourteen years on, Fleur du Mal shows the wait was worth it. The brands that last are built by people who couldn’t imagine doing anything else.